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Aussie Muslims back cleric who defended rape

Seeded on Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:57 AM EST
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A cleric who said women who did not wear a veil were 'uncovered meat' asking to be raped will keep his job as the spiritual leader of Australia's 350,000 Muslims.

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali was confirmed as Mufti of Australia on Friday after the governing body of Sydney's largest mosque rallied behind the Egyptian-born cleric.

"The board is satisfied with the notion that certain statements made by the mufti were misinterpreted," Tom Zreika, head of the Lebanese Muslim Association, said....

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Djehuty

There's a serious problem with culturally based differences of expectation about women's behaviour and dress in Australia, between the muslim and "white" (especially surfie) culture. Which is something the Muslim community should really tackle head-on.... because what's happening instead is that the crypto-racists and the Liberal Party (conservatives) are making it into a political football.

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Reply#1 - Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:36 PM EST
sirensongs

When I moved to India, I did not expect to be able to wear shorts and t-shirts on the street with impunity - I adopted the local dress codes. Western culture grants Australian Muslims the right to wear whatever they like in Australia...but not to impose their own codes of conduct and dress on the women of their host country.

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Reply#2 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:45 AM EST
Djehuty

I completely agree.

By the way the Mufti has now taken indefinite leave from his position, following health problems and pressure from the Muslim community.

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#2.1 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:05 AM EST
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lauhal

Women withou veils are

uncovered meat

...that's really barbaric.

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Reply#3 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:44 AM EST
lzhang

I don't condone his words for a minute, but I think we have to keep in mind the language barrier. Assume that phrase was translated to "uncovered flesh"... would that change the context?

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#3.1 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:41 PM EST
lauhal

I don't buy it for a minute.

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#3.2 - Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:09 AM EST
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munzilla

I love how you can say anything you want these days, then, during the firestorm, just say that you were misinterpreted.
There's no way this guy should keep his position or be supported by anyone, but unfortunately women don't have the same rights as men in most Muslim societies.

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Reply#4 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:01 AM EST
sirensongs

I love how you can say anything you want these days, then, during the firestorm, just say that you were misinterpreted.

sure, he was misinterpreted...see, by comparing them to uncovered meat (which is, after all, a valuable commodity) he was actually just trying to *protect* women! Only because they are the "property" of men, of course....(yuck).

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Reply#5 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:45 AM EST
Djehuty

Plus, he did mean uncovered meat, because he used the analogy of feral cats attracted to a plate of meat left out uncovered.

Not to take away from the anti-deluvian sexism of that, you do get the occasional madness from the mouths of old clerics of all religions. One fundamentalist shouldn't be used as an excuse to bash a whole religion.

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Reply#6 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:06 PM EST
munzilla

Nobody's "bashing" a whole religion. We were talking about how it's horrible for a person to say this and keep his job as a spiritual leader.

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#6.1 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:13 PM EST
Djehuty

Sorry munzilla, I didn't mean you by that statement. I do think a number of Australian politicians are doing that, even if not overtly.

    #6.2 - Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:01 PM EST
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    sirensongs

    I didn't mean you by that statement. I do think a number of Australian politicians are doing that, even if not overtly.

    Yeah, too bad the medieval morons keep giving the ultra-cons an excuse to bash the whole lot.

    I think we have to keep in mind the language barrier. Assume that phrase was translated to "uncovered flesh"... would that change the context?

    No, it would not. He was saying the uncovered whatever (whatever word he used, he was comparing living adult females to insentient lifeless carcass) would attract wild, predatory animals. This raises the very valid question of - why then should the women suffer, because the men allegedly cannot control themselves? Why not teach the men how to behave properly, rather than force the women to conceal the bodies God-Allah gave them?? or is the cleric alleging that men, esp. Muslim men, are such hopeless primates that they have no self-control? It's a lose-lose statement either way.

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    Reply#7 - Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:33 AM EST
    munzilla

    Yeah, I think you've gotten too far into it. On its surface it's wrong, and beneath its surface it's wrong.

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    #7.1 - Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:48 AM EST
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    Beauty

    Australia's 350,000 Muslims must go out on the streets to say NO! Muslim groups and their leadership must wake up.

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    Reply#8 - Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:05 AM EST
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